08/31/2026
On this episode, Hope starts us off with a movie review, then we hear a conversation with Kathy Cullen, founder of Jolene's Retreat. Kathy and Hope discuss the importance of animals' agency as well as friends and family groups and how these are disrupted and broken up in animal agriculture and the psychological distress that can cause.
Kathy has rescued numerous small “companion” pigs and she and Hope discuss the problem of breeding “potbelly” and “teacup” designer pigs. We love to feature farmed animal sanctuaries and loved hearing all about Jolene's Retreat!
Listen and share: https://hopefortheanimalspodcast.org/episode-142-animal-agency-and-sanctuary-with-kathy-cullen/