06/03/2026
“Inner development and outer systems change are integrally related. They are actually inseparable.”
That’s how researcher and educator Megan Seneque describes the relationship between personal and societal transformation on the last episode of the Mind & Life podcast.
Megan joins Martin Kalungu-Banda, Katrin Kaufer, and guest host Jamie Bristow for a conversation on Theory U, awareness-based systems change, and what it takes to create meaningful change in a complex world.
She goes on to unpack how lasting transformation isn't only about changing systems "out there." It also requires creating the conditions for learning, awareness, and new ways of relating—personally and collectively.
What if inner and outer change aren't separate challenges at all, but part of the same journey?
🎧 Listen to the full episode to explore how awareness, relationships, and collective learning can help shape more compassionate and resilient futures: https://podcast.mindandlife.org/podcast/podcast-episodes/
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