Save Our Trees - Eaton

Save Our Trees - Eaton We are a community-driven organisation with the aim of creation, protection, and restoration of trees within the Eaton, Norwich area.

10/11/2021

Hello everybody! A quick update on the situation regarding the trees. We were fortunate enough to find John Allaway, a local tree surgeon, who very kindly offered to have a good look at the trees for free of charge. I must emphasize that this is not an official report of any sort but another (expert) voice who shares the love of the environment with us.
This is what he had to say:

"Long term management need not be regarded as a pressing issue, in my opinion. Most of the beeches are in sound condition with no signs of stress and I would expect them to have a safe useful lifespan of 40+ years (this may seem a short period of time but in terms of arboricultural survey reporting, 40+ is a long time and shouldn't be interpreted to mean 40 years is all that can be expected).

The 2013 report states that the beeches are "semi mature". They aren't, and wouldn't have been 8 years ago. They are early mature, approaching mature. I'd guess the date of planting to have been between 1945 and 1960, meaning that they are between 60 and 75 years old. Beech generally live in very sound condition to at least 120 or so and can reach 200 years (they are enormous by that age). They rarely live longer than that as 'maiden' trees, though pollards can become considerably older. Obviously, disease or environmental factors such as physical damage, severe drought stress etc can reduce safe useful life expectancy significantly.

There is a certain amount of truth in the assertion that all the beeches will reach maturity at the same time, but only a certain amount. Trees are individuals and behave accordingly. There will be a few dominant trees that are genetically predisposed towards significantly longer lifespans than others. Beech has (potentially) a very wide range of genetic diversity (as opposed to hybrid poplars, for example, which are clones and therefore genetically identical: even in the case of cloned trees, environmental factors still mean that some will live in sound condition considerably longer than others).

Ideally, I wouldn't be starting from here, as the saying goes. But here is where we are and, to my mind, removing the entire belts for the reasons given is not necessary or desirable. The starting point, where consideration of optimum management of the existing trees is concerned, should be just that, i.e., management of existing trees, not abandonment of them in favour of planting a completely new set of trees. My view is that they are fine as they are and can be expected to stay fine as they are for at least 30 years, with only ad hoc safety works as they may become necessary. That's effectively a human generation. Thinking about trees is likely to have changed by the time the next generation is having to think about these, and the over-cautious approach that seems to have been taken here may well be widely considered rather daft by most people, as opposed to just the few of us that can see the wood for the trees today.

The question of what would happen if the current proposals were scrapped is worth some thought. What's the worst that could happen? The answer is that all the beeches reach maturity, and thence enter 'over'-maturity at the same time, as the 2013 report says. Even if we disregard the fact that this wouldn't actually be how events were to unfold, the very worst that could happen would be that all the beeches would need to be felled for safety reasons over a fairly short period of time. Which isn't far from what they've planned to do starting now.

The safety question is important, for obvious reasons. But the existing safety situation is good, from the perspective of the trees. There are no high value targets within falling range of the trees (of course there are people who use the land beneath, and within falling distance of, the trees. In reality, trees that are likely to fall, or which develop defects meaning large branches are likely to fall from them, would be picked up by routine surveys and appropriate action taken and this, combined with the fact that trees and large branches, even where they have serious defects, are only likely to fall in stormy weather, ie: when people are least likely to be walking near them means the risk would be very low, given due diligence. The whole of W1 could fall to the south-west without causing any damage to anything or anyone. It could fall to the north-east and only cause minor damage to fences, sheds etc. My point is that it is not as if these are trees that are soon to become hazardous, in a location where risk to safety or persons and property are great.

Along W1's NE face (bordering the abandoned road), there are several early mature / mature ash which ought to receive remedial works on safety grounds, in my opinion. Most have ash dieback disease and have large dead branches overhanging the walkway. Otherwise, there are a few beech with historic scorch damage to their lower stems (bonfires, possible associated with the development?). There are a handful of dead stems (suppressed trees or stems that have given up the struggle for light). There's no reason why these couldn't be removed, and their removal wouldn't make the slightest difference to the stability of the remaining trees.

W1 was planted in rows, with oak & ash along the NE edge, then a row of holly, then the more random beech planting. W2 conforms a little more closely to the description given in the 2013 report of having been planted in 'circles' of '5-7 trees', though the planting is not as regular, or uniformly as close, as that report suggests even here.

What else can I say at the moment? The quality of the replacement planting is generally poor, with standard trees having suffered from neglect (it looks as if some are recent replacements that are already looking neglected), and the majority of the growth on felled stretches (W1) comprises regen from the beech, holm oak & holly stumps. It looks as if most of the planted trees are small-growing species such as dogwood, hazel, hawthorn and maple, with only a few forest trees such as lime and sweet chestnut, together with quite short-lived species such as birch. The planting at the end of W2 looks a little better.

My conclusion is that the felling and replacement scheme that has been proposed and, inexplicably agreed to by NCC, ought to be reconsidered in its entirety as a matter of urgency. We are all entering a time when nature needs protecting and enhancing, not treating as if it is some kind of a nuisance. This is especially so where trees and woodland are concerned: trees take CO2 from the air and turn it into more tree, throughout every year's growing season. They are providing an essential public service by turning the excess CO2 society produces into beautiful and extremely durable living organisms which provide habitat for innumerable other living organisms, just as anyone with any sense would hope for in this world struggling for survival.. To find ourselves living with a local authority that is willing to undertake mass felling of established woodland for no good reason is very disheartening, and their decision must be challenged."

Dear members,We are excited to share the results of the recent bat survey carried out over five days at the woods that w...
19/09/2021

Dear members,

We are excited to share the results of the recent bat survey carried out over five days at the woods that we are trying to save.
You can download and see the results for yourself, but in short, the findings were summarised as follows:

"Attached are the results from the surveys you did. The detectors are triggered when they 'hear' anything that might be a bat (i.e. ultrasound) and record for 5 seconds. The numbers in the tables and each line in the spreadsheet is the result of one of those 5-second recordings. It might be the same bat flying up and down 100s of times, but generally, larger numbers will mean more individuals. The correct term is that it measures 'bat activity, with the assumption that higher levels of activity mean more it is more important for bats.

In the spreadsheet discard anything that has a probability of less than 0.5. The analysis compares all the recordings to hundreds of thousands of known recordings of different species and makes its best judgment using machine learning as to which species it is. Some recordings may be of poor quality (e.g. distant, bat flying away, lots of anthropogenic noise etc.), so it is not always possible to identify everything.

The analysis also identifies bush crickets and small mammals, both of which make ultrasound. Moths also do, and there are a few species built-in, but this group is really poorly known. They produce ultrasound to interfere with bat echolocation and jam it - essentially an anti-predation device!

In terms of species, Common Pips are always the most common in and around man. They are attracted to light, whereas some others such as long-eared bats will avoid man-made light. You essentially have all the species I would expect but in lower numbers than, for example, by the river at Marston Marshes. Daubenton's is essentially a bat of water, and so I would not expect many there. Soprano Pips are also associated with river valleys.

The one stand out species is Barbastelle. This is classified as Near Threatened globally by IUCN and has a formal UK Biodiversity Action Plan. I have sent this recording off to be checked by an expert, but it looks good to me (sonogram attached). The two-pitch call is pretty diagnostic. Unfortunately, it is not spending a lot of time in the area and is essentially a flyover. However, we can say they are in the area.

I would say that you have largely a typical bat fauna of sub-urban areas but providing supporting habitat to all those species that will be concentrated in and around the Yare river valley."

In conclusion, we now have proof that contrary to the views of the Planning Applications Committee, these woods do provide valuable habitats for many different creatures, including bats.
In today's day and age, when every tree is crucial in so many ways - we find it shocking that this destruction is planned to continue.

Dear all, the following document is the reason for the destruction of the trees we are trying to save. Upon reading it, ...
21/10/2020

Dear all, the following document is the reason for the destruction of the trees we are trying to save. Upon reading it, we are shocked to see how weak and unfounded this reason is! Please download, read and comment.

For anybody wishing to help, here is the link to the Save Our Trees poster. It is in PDF format which can be opened and ...
24/09/2020

For anybody wishing to help, here is the link to the Save Our Trees poster. It is in PDF format which can be opened and printed on most computers. Print and distribute as you wish.

23/09/2020

Thank you, everybody, for the comments and posts made so far.

Just a quick update on what we are doing right now:
- we have contacted Persimmon and are waiting for a callback,
- we are in talks with the Norfolk Wildlife Trust
- we are in talks with the Norwich Bat Group
- we are trying to arrange a meeting with Judith Lubbock MP
- we have contacted Clive Lewis MP via email

If anyone else has an idea on how to help - we are listening.

This illustration is from the initial planning application (2/01598/VC) and as you can see most of the trees had TPO (Tr...
22/09/2020

This illustration is from the initial planning application (2/01598/VC) and as you can see most of the trees had TPO (Tree Protection Order) on them and were planned to be kept and maintained. The plan was amended in 2012, but there was still no talk about felling the trees.
Why did the plan change after that? What made the council change its mind and allow the felling of the trees?

Because this is happening right here in Eaton!These pictures were taken next to the Wentworth Green playground and they ...
21/09/2020

Because this is happening right here in Eaton!
These pictures were taken next to the Wentworth Green playground and they show the needless destruction of two stands of mature Beech trees lining the path between Wentworth Green and Sunningdale/Greenways.
In an attempt to stop this madness, we have decided to set up ‘Save Our Trees – Eaton’, a Facebook group where we can connect, discuss and share everything about this matter. We invite everybody to join us and participate so that we can find a solution that will stop the destruction of this wonderful and valuable natural asset.

20/09/2020

Dear Neighbours and Residents of Eaton - welcome to our page.
We have created this page in the hope of stopping the needless destruction of the two stands of mature Beech trees lining the path between Wentworth Green and Sunningdale/Greenways (alongside Wentworth Green playground).
We invite everybody to join us and participate so that we can find a solution which will help preserve this wonderful and valuable natural asset.
We find it incredible in this day and age, when preservation of the natural environment is more important than ever, that this has been allowed to happen.
The remaining trees are over 100 years old, are in good health and would require only little maintenance and care. This has been verified by an independent Tree Surgeon.
Unfortunately, this view is not shared by the builders Persimmon and as part of their drive to “maintain” the green spaces required of them, they have decided to cut down all the trees mentioned above as well as the trees lining the Brentwood section of Donkey Lane.
As part of our investigation into this matter we have contacted Norwich City Council and after weeks of trying we have received the disappointing response from Mark Dunthorne (agricultural officer) stating: “…The aim of the work is to introduce new species and age ranges, increasing biodiversity and the long-term sustainability of the woodland area.”
Or, in other words, cutting down the established, healthy and environmentally priceless lines of trees and replacing them with new, inferior breeds which will never get the care and maintenance required and as such they will never develop. The fruits of this practice can be seen by anybody visiting the Wentworth Green playground area, where the inferior trees planted 8 years ago have made almost no progress and are unhealthy/dying from lack of care and maintenance. Also, as confirmed by an independent Tree Surgeon, they were not the right kind for the area to begin with.
There are countless reasons why the total obliteration of these trees is a bad idea; from helping with carbon emissions released into the environment, to the creatures living and nesting there, as well as the benefit it brings to all our mental health – preserving nature is the responsibility of all of us.
We call on to everybody who would like to be involved to spread the word, raise awareness or contribute in any form available in order to find a way to save our trees in Eaton!
Please feel free to post on this page anything that you might think is relevant or helpful for this cause.

Hello everybody. My wife and I have lived in a house facing the park since late 2017. Soon after moving in we learned th...
19/09/2020

Hello everybody. My wife and I have lived in a house facing the park since late 2017. Soon after moving in we learned the story of these trees. I will share what I know:

- When the "new" houses were planned and built by Persimmon in 2012/2013 permission was granted on condition of work involving the beech trees that line the land.

- This was a result of a campaign by local residents in Carnoustie and Glenalmond (the roads on the other side of the trees) who wanted them felled. When no action was originally planned for the trees - which have/had a preservation order on them - the residents paid for a private tree survey which indicated that the trees were unsafe and should be felled.

- The reason the trees are claimed to be unsafe is that they were originally planted in clusters of 5. As such, they are now unstable with weak root systems and could fall on the houses on the other side. Chopping down only some of the trees would not be an option as they are now inter-dependent in each cluster.

- The original plan was to "do" all trees in 5 years. The plans were changed in 2018 to fell the trees in 4 phases over 16 years (years 2, 7, 12 & 16 = 2015, 2020, 2025 and 2031), with management for 25 years. After each phase there will be replanting. Phase one has already been done (on both Haworth Way and Donkey Lane).

- Documents:

See p4/5 here: https://cmis.norwich.gov.uk/Live/Document.ashx?czJKcaeAi5tUFL1DTL2UE4zNRBcoShgo=iZecv6T3EG1fsD4izX4%2FP%2F7eXPDtS6ygvXy0lKePsYfyYnnCQKqFoQ%3D%3D&rUzwRPf%2BZ3zd4E7Ikn8Lyw%3D%3D=pwRE6AGJFLDNlh225F5QMaQWCtPHwdhUfCZ%2FLUQzgA2uL5jNRG4jdQ%3D%3D&mCTIbCubSFfXsDGW9IXnlg%3D%3D=hFflUdN3100%3D&kCx1AnS9%2FpWZQ40DXFvdEw%3D%3D=hFflUdN3100%3D&uJovDxwdjMPoYv%2BAJvYtyA%3D%3D=ctNJFf55vVA%3D&FgPlIEJYlotS%2BYGoBi5olA%3D%3D=NHdURQburHA%3D&d9Qjj0ag1Pd993jsyOJqFvmyB7X0CSQK=ctNJFf55vVA%3D&WGewmoAfeNR9xqBux0r1Q8Za60lavYmz=ctNJFf55vVA%3D&WGewmoAfeNQ16B2MHuCpMRKZMwaG1PaO=ctNJFf55vVA%3D

The 2018 amendments are here:

https://cmis.norwich.gov.uk/Live/Document.ashx?czJKcaeAi5tUFL1DTL2UE4zNRBcoShgo=4C%2BlGQzfbwKeyxIFQxfbauF1CLyeiC%2BHdLF6thVo9kxjOMbeMqfhVw%3D%3D&rUzwRPf%2BZ3zd4E7Ikn8Lyw%3D%3D=pwRE6AGJFLDNlh225F5QMaQWCtPHwdhUfCZ%2FLUQzgA2uL5jNRG4jdQ%3D%3D&mCTIbCubSFfXsDGW9IXnlg%3D%3D=hFflUdN3100%3D&kCx1AnS9%2FpWZQ40DXFvdEw%3D%3D=hFflUdN3100%3D&uJovDxwdjMPoYv%2BAJvYtyA%3D%3D=ctNJFf55vVA%3D&FgPlIEJYlotS%2BYGoBi5olA%3D%3D=NHdURQburHA%3D&d9Qjj0ag1Pd993jsyOJqFvmyB7X0CSQK=ctNJFf55vVA%3D&WGewmoAfeNR9xqBux0r1Q8Za60lavYmz=ctNJFf55vVA%3D&WGewmoAfeNQ16B2MHuCpMRKZMwaG1PaO=ctNJFf55vVA%3D

Details of Eaton Village Residents Association campaign to chop down trees:

https://eatonvillage.co.uk/local-issues/cssg-development/

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What I have done this year.

Bearing in mind I had to endure the horror of seeing and hearing the felling of the trees, I did all my research, concluded there was little I could do to stop the trees being cut down, but resolved to ensure that the replanting would be done properly, with no corner cutting and with full scrutiny over budget and procedures.

As such, I asked Persimmon for details of the replanting plan, they passed me to RMG, who manage the park. RMG referred me to the council. I contacted Norwich City council and James Wright (councillor) with no reply. This was in July. I stopped.

This morning I have pushed again by writing a mail to individuals at all of the above, plus all 3 local councillors asking for details about the plan and conveying local residents dismay and concern about the felling work.

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I hope this information helps.

Best wishes

Siv

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